Perhaps following certain reason with the expanded years out of the blue looking inside the the brand new heraldry can come so you’re able to white

Perhaps following certain reason with the expanded years out of the blue looking inside the the brand new heraldry can come so you’re able to white

I do believe Tim could well be upload brand new scans of one’s picture to help you his webpages, and will post you to definitely link to the brand new newsgroup.

Re: Wingfield Applications-of-Possession

relationships of your professionals, (the newest Wingfields was basically explored fairly well, and even after my personal typo to the Howard friends, I really do have the pedigree precisely annotated in RI) >>

I don’t know this is exactly an accurate declaration. Really does your guide target the newest age bracket *prior* so you can John Russell exactly who e the parents away from Elizabeth Russell which meters Sir Robert Wingfield ?

Re: ? Comyn spouse from Malise

We have the second so you can submit a number of the holes your inform you forthe high-grandparents from Reginald le Cheyne. Among the many primaryadditions comes from his paternal granny (NN in your post) havingbeen Mary de- Moravia (als de Moray), sister and coheiress out of Freskinde Moravia of Duffus (her parents Walter de Moravia and you can Euphemia ofRoss appear less than). You’ve got the concern concerning his maternalgrandmother: I keep she are Joanna de Menteith, 2nd partner from Korea kvinnor Malise,Earl of Strathearn. This will at least give a near explanationfor Joanna’s daughter Helen regarding Strathearn (spouse successively ofReginald le Cheyne, the daddy, and of Sir David de Graham) beingnamed to possess Helen de- Menteith, aunt out-of Joanna and you may spouse of Sir ColinCampbell away from Lochow (d. bef Get 1343).

Unfortuitously, I do believe there are additional openings during the Muriel Keith’sancestry (see below). As to sometimes improvements proposed with the tablesbelow, please recommend of every detailed disputes, or just what documentationmight indicate one mistake detailed.

We have holes in both ancestries, however, ferociously in that of Reginald.To have Muriel Keith, their higher-grand-parents We show1 William de- Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton

I am not saying conscious of people paperwork supporting the identification associated with the lover once the Barbara Seton. When you yourself have indexed any, excite suggest.

3 Alexander de- Synton4 NN5 Alexander of /Fraser/ Chamberlain regarding Scotland d 3 Aug 13326 Mary de Brus, Baroness /Fraser/

Sir Alexander Fraser hitched Mary Bruce (otherwise de Brus), together with an excellent young buck John defined as ‘nepos’ from Robert _the_Bruce. So it child is a more youthful John, however, rather than their heir. John Fraser, later lord from Aboyne, are this new child away from a primary relationship (that it partner unknown; I’ve that it toward expert of Andrew MacEwen).

3 Walter de Moravia (child away from Hugh de Moravia, and Annabela away from Fife) 4 Euphemia regarding Ross (dau. away from Fearchar, first Earl away from Ross and you can NN deBrus)

5 Malise, sixth Earl off /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN perhaps Comyn d aft 13097 Sir John de- Menteith (young man of Walter Stewart, E out-of Menteith and you can

The new consanguinity between Muriel Keith and Reginald ce Cheyne -recognized to was indeed an effective-grandson out of Malise, Earl out-of Strathearn (d.1312) – ‘s the best proof (in the event the indirect) why these a few individualshad at least one ancestor/ancestress in accordance.

We have gaps both in ancestries, however, ferociously in this of Reginald.Having Muriel Keith, her high-grand-parents I show1 William de- Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton3 Alexander de Synton4 NN5 Alexander regarding /Fraser/ Chamberlain off Scotland d step three Aug 13326 Mary de- Brus, Baroness /Fraser/eight NN Fraser8 NN

To possess Reginald ce Cheney it’s sparse1 NN Cheney , 2 NN, step three NN, 4 NN5 Malise, 6th Earl off /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN possibly Comyn d aft 13097 and you may 8 NN

Re: Agnes Beler

Woodford, early 15the century, in Leicestershire. E is actually the fresh d Villiers and you can Agnes Beler. Now, I would like to connect Agnes in order to Sir Roger Beler, killed of the Eustace de- Folville, however, I can’t find one information regarding her. Can be people assist?

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